" Bazm-e-sanaa-e-muhammad (sallallaho Alehe Wasallam)
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Bhai aap itni wazahat aur
pyar se apni baat kiye dil khush huwa
aur bhai ALLAMA IQBAL ne kisi ko kya kaha hai
koi aapke liye ya kisi unversity wale k liye
kitni bari hasti hai mein bhi maazrat ke sath kehta hoon
ke mujhe usse koi ta'aluq nahin mera to maanna
yeh hai ke khud Dagh ALLAMA IQBAL r.a ke bhi
kuch ashaar mein kotaahi unse huwi hogi
kyunke bhai ISLAM ke mutaliq jis zaat per yeh kaha jaaye
ke unka har amal theek hi hai to wo ANBIYA a.s ke baad
koi bhi nahin hain to phir hum kisi ki bari shakhsiyat hone ki
wajah se uska aisa kalaam jo bazahir theek na ho ye soch kar ke
bare bande ki hai theek hi hogoi dohraate rahen
to ye namunasib sa lagta hai mujhe
bhai mera nazariya kehta hai ke jaise
RASOOLALLAH saww ke Sahaaba r.a Rasool e kareem saww
ke shaan mein ashaar e mubarak likha karte the unhen parha
karte the lekin unke likhe ashaar se kabhi kisi ko shirk ka
shuba huwa na kabhi ho sakta hai so humen un hi ki pairvi mein
naat bilkul suthre andaaz mein likhni parhni peish karni chaahiye
baaqi kirdaar e Ahmed Raza Barelvi jo aap ne bayaan kiya us per
to mera hadd e darja tak ikhtilaaf hai lekin jese aap ne kaha ke waise
hi mein bhi yahan Ahmed Raza ke muaamle mein ya kisi aur muaamle
mein behes o mubahisa nahin karna chaahta bas jo namunasib sheir laga
aapki sharing mein uska zikr kar liya aap pehle member ho Tafreeh Mela ke
jinhone ISLAMIC sect me aetraaz per pur khuloos reply diya bohot achha laga
bas az aakhir aap se ye request karta hoon ke younhi mahol ko achhe
rehne dene ke liye hum aur aap mein ye mohabbat qaaiym hi rahe iske liye
aap aise ashaar jinme shirk ka shuba ho phir wo khwaah khud ALLAMA IQBAL
ke hi kyun na hon unhen share karne se gureiz karen
ALLAH PAK aapko hum ko hidayatyafta mo ilm hayadaar deendaar
khoobseerati khush qismati se nawaaze Aameen
thanks for ur kind word and lovely way to express ur thoughts ,I respect ur views,
ma aapke iss bat se agree karta hoon k shakhsiyat parasti nahi honi chahyay,baqi aapke boht c baton par meray tuhafuzat to hain aur unka jawab denay k lie meray pass boht se arguments b hain magar ma nahi chahta k mery ye thread apnay asal maqsad se hat kar behas o mubahsay ke nazar ho jae,haan bass itna zarur kahun ga k jis tarha shakhsiyat perfect nahi ho saktien,to hum to bilkul perfect nahi ho saktay,ho sakta ha aap ghalat hon,ho sakta ha ma ghalat hoon,
baqi aap ne jo kaha k aisay ashaar share na karain k jin main shirak ka shuba ho to bhai ho sakta ha k aap ko kisi shaer main shirak ka shuba ho lekon mujhe na ho,jaisay k yahan he islamic section main kuch log aisay b hain k jo bazahar toheed ka parchar kartay aur dusron par shirak k fatway lagatay nazar aatay hain,magar khud unke boht c baton main mujhe to shirak ka shuba hota ha magar unko khud nahi hota,zahir ha agar hum 1 nuktay par mutfiq ho jaen phir to koi ikhtilaf he na rahay,
humain ikhtalafat ko aik taraf rakh kar aik dusray k nazriyat aur shakhsiyat ka kam az kam ehtaram karna chahyay,
mera zati nazriya to ye ha k Imam Ahmad Raza barelvi hon ya Moulana Ashraf Ali thanvi hon,Moulana Modudi hon ya Shah Ahmad Nourani hon,Moulana Ilyas Attari hon ya Moulana Tariq Jameel hon,humain sab ka ehtaram karna chahyay,kiounkay in sab se boht se log muhabbat kar rahay hotay hain,so agar kisi k b kirdar ya personality par ungliyan uthai jaen gee to kisi na kisi ka dil zarur dukhay ga aur kisi ka dil dukhana boht bara gunah ha,
aameen @ur dua...
hmmm to better hay k sab koshish karain sirf wo ishaar kehne ki jo sirf Tareef-e-muhammad (PBUH)par mubni hon ya darood shareef aisi cheezain share karain...khud se sure kar lain k un may ikhtlafat ki gunjaysh na ho!
jaise aksar natiya kalmaat may shirk aa jata hay to behas ka andaisha banta hay bohat si natain hain jo hum frequently aise bhi parhte hain but jab uski details samajhte hain to wo thori shirk ki taraf jaati hain,,thats y maine pehle bhi sure karne ka bola ta k behas na ho![DOUBLEPOST=1352895783][/DOUBLEPOST]and @Abidi bro according to some reports n detailed translation kuch ishaar ikhtlafat create kar rhe hain if u dont mind may i edit them?
jaise aksar natiya kalmaat may shirk aa jata hay to behas ka andaisha banta hay bohat si natain hain jo hum frequently aise bhi parhte hain but jab uski details samajhte hain to wo thori shirk ki taraf jaati hain,,thats y maine pehle bhi sure karne ka bola ta k behas na ho![DOUBLEPOST=1352895783][/DOUBLEPOST]and @Abidi bro according to some reports n detailed translation kuch ishaar ikhtlafat create kar rhe hain if u dont mind may i edit them?
mujhe samajh nahi aati k yahan jab Ahadees k trajum ko apni marzi ka bana kar tror maror kar paish kiya jata ha to koi b action nahi liya jata magar ma ne Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko nazrana e aqedat paish karnay k lie ye thread banai to aik tofan he aa gaya ha,mery aik thread main @F-iceage bro ne b kaha k yahan boht saray log kharab websites se ahadees aur trajum copy paste kar detay hain,
hoorain sis ma ne aap se b mazrat ke aur @S_ChiragH bro se b baray achay lehjay main bat ke magar mujhe afsos ha k ab mujhe aisa lag raha ha k mujhe irritate kar k ghussa dilanay ke koshish ke ja rahi ha,mery posts ko edit karnay ke bat karnay se pehlay un sab threads ko delete ya edit karain ko jo siraf aur siraf ikhtalafi topics par banai jati hain,magar wahan to aap nazar he nahi aati hain,
ab meray khiyal main jo Ahadees k tarjumay aur mafhoom ko apni marzi ka bana kar paish kartay hain,wo aik tarha se toheen-e-rasalat kartay hain aur agar hum un se bat b karain to jawab denay ke bijae fatway laganay lagtay hain,afsos k un se koi staff member bat karta nazar nahi aata aur unko khuli chhuti ha,
ma Alhamdulillah utna he musalman hun,jitnay baqi sab hain,ma bhala kioun shirk walay ashaar paish karun ga,aur mery posts ke report karnay walay jin mufti sahban ko in ashaar main shirak nazar aata ha to wo meharbani kar k ahadees k kharab tarajum ke taraf b kuch nazar dalain aur agar ye kaha jae ga k sabut dain k un tarajum sahi nahi hotay to ma b yehi kahun ga pehlay sabut diya jae k in ashaar main shirak ha, phir edit karnay ke bat ke jae,siraf TM k mufti sahban k kehnay par to aisa nahi karna chahyay k jin k fatway siraf aik simmat main he lagtay hain,thanks..[DOUBLEPOST=1352902086][/DOUBLEPOST]Aur @hoorain sis boht se members ne in ashaar ko like b to kiya ha,unke feelings ka b to ehtaram karna chahyay aur jo threads ikhtalafi topics par banai jati hain,un se boht se logon ke dil azari hoti ha to uss waqt jin logon ka dil dukhta ha unke feelings ka ahsas kion nahi kiya jata?
okays..lekon hoorain sis pehlay aap plz mery info k lie itna bata dain k TM main wo konsay mustinad aur ghair mutnazia aalim-e deen ya mufti sahib hain k jo ye faisla kartay hain k ye ashaar shirkiya hain ya falan cheez ghalt ha?
koi mufti nhi!
magar toheed k kuch authentic references hain staff members ko jab toheed aur shirk may tafreeq karni hoti hay to un references ko daikhte huye ye cheezain handle ki jaati hai,,main aapko aik Thread may tag karti hun aap usse detail se parhiyega!
is liye kisi bhi jaga ikhtlaf hota hay to us ikhtlaf ki reason ko hi edit karne ki koshish ki jaati hay,,issi liey maine pehle hi sabko inform karti hun k jis may ikhtlaf ka zra bhi andaisha ho wo cheez share hi mat kiya karain...cauz main nhi chahti baad may sab hamain blame karain k hum kisi aik firqe ko favor kar rhe hain ya aisa kuch,,hala k aisa kuch nhi hay!
i hope u understand
chalain aapke bat ko lay kar ma aik example deta hoon k issi islamic section main boht sari aisy threads mojud hain k jin main Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) k ilm-e ghaib ko ghalt qarar diya gaya ha,aapko b pata ha k boht saray musalmano ka ye emaan ha Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko Allah Taala ne ilm-e ghaib ataa kiya ha,to iss lehaz se phir ye threads b to ikhtalafat creat karti hain magar un par koi action nahi liya jata aur issi tarha ke aik thread main ma aapko tag karta hun,aap dekiyay ga k thread starter se ma ne unke paish karda ahadees k hawalay se boht saray sawalat kiyay magar wo jawab denay ke taraf aatay he nahi thay,aap uss thread main mery aakhri post main dekhiyay ga k ma unko keh raha hun k bhai mery post#24 ka to jawab do magar usskay bad unho ne reply he nahi kiya,koi mufti nhi!
magar toheed k kuch authentic references hain staff members ko jab toheed aur shirk may tafreeq karni hoti hay to un references ko daikhte huye ye cheezain handle ki jaati hai,,main aapko aik Thread may tag karti hun aap usse detail se parhiyega!
is liye kisi bhi jaga ikhtlaf hota hay to us ikhtlaf ki reason ko hi edit karne ki koshish ki jaati hay,,issi liey maine pehle hi sabko inform karti hun k jis may ikhtlaf ka zra bhi andaisha ho wo cheez share hi mat kiya karain...cauz main nhi chahti baad may sab hamain blame karain k hum kisi aik firqe ko favor kar rhe hain ya aisa kuch,,hala k aisa kuch nhi hay!
i hope u understand
phir ma dekhun ga k aap uss thread par kia action leti hain,
prophet Muhammad (PBUH) k paas ilm-ghaib nhi tha aur ye baat main nhi keh rhi Quran paak ki aayat aur khud prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ne kahi hay,,,agar is pe aap discussion karna chaho to main references k saath thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH!
SUrah jin ki hi first aur last aayat ko detail se parhain is k ilawa bhi beshumar aayat hai jis may ye wazea hay k prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ko koi ghaib ki baat nhi pta hoti thi siwaye un baato k jo ALLAH tala khud un par wahi nazil farmaate!
Ghaib ka ilm rakhna ALLAH ki siffat hay aru ALLAH ki siffat may kisi ko shareek karna shirk hi ki aik kisam hay,,maine apako kisi thread may tag kiya tha thori dair pehle aap plz usse detail se parhain,,is particular topic pe mazeed discuss karna chahain to muje thora time dain main ref k satah thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH n u r always welcome in that thread to discuss the topic with references
[DOUBLEPOST=1352948436][/DOUBLEPOST]aur aik baat aap ko kisi bhi trhead may lagge k ye ikhtlafi hay plz feel free to report!INSHAALLAH usse bhi zarur handle kiya jaayegA @Abidi bro
Quran-e-Pak par to kisi ko koi ikhtilaf ho he nahi sakta magar masla ye ha k trajum par iktalafat hain,aik he aayat k mukhtilaf qisam k tarajum aur mafhoom paish kiyay jatay hain,prophet Muhammad (PBUH) k paas ilm-ghaib nhi tha aur ye baat main nhi keh rhi Quran paak ki aayat aur khud prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ne kahi hay,,,agar is pe aap discussion karna chaho to main references k saath thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH!
SUrah jin ki hi first aur last aayat ko detail se parhain is k ilawa bhi beshumar aayat hai jis may ye wazea hay k prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ko koi ghaib ki baat nhi pta hoti thi siwaye un baato k jo ALLAH tala khud un par wahi nazil farmaate!
Ghaib ka ilm rakhna ALLAH ki siffat hay aru ALLAH ki siffat may kisi ko shareek karna shirk hi ki aik kisam hay,,maine apako kisi thread may tag kiya tha thori dair pehle aap plz usse detail se parhain,,is particular topic pe mazeed discuss karna chahain to muje thora time dain main ref k satah thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH n u r always welcome in that thread to discuss the topic with references
INSHAALLAH usse bhi zarur handle kiya jaayegA @Abidi bro
ma b InshAllah boht saray refrences paish kar sakta hun magar masla ye ha k ma siraf mobile se he online ho sakta hun,
Allah ke sifaat main kisi ko shreek nahi kiya ja sakta,lekon Allah be niaaz ha,Wo agar apni taqat se kisi ko ilm-e ghaib ataa kar day to uss ke marzi,uss ke taqat ka inkar nahi kiya ja sakta,
jaisay k Allah ne apni taqat se farishton ko hukam diya k Hazrat Adam(A.S) ko sajda karo aur jis ne inkar kiya wo iblees kehlaya,
aur agar aj ka mulla hota to farishton par b shirak ka fatwa laga deta(Nouzubillah)
hmm lambi behas ho jaayegi!
let's stop it here!
ye thread muje edit karna hay ,,, i hope u dont have any problem?
baqi aap ne aik thread ki report ki i want time to read n check that us pe baad may discussion hogi INSHAALLAH!
Nahin @Abidi bhai Rasool e kareem saww ke paas ilm e ghaib nahin tha
naa hi kisi aur Rasool ya nabi ke paas tha aur naa hi Rasool e kareem saww
ne kabhi ye farmaya ke mere paas ilm e ghaib hai balke ye zaroor
aaya hai QURAN mein kaiin maqamaat per ke ilm e ghaib sirf ALLAH ke paas hai
peish karte hain dekh lijiyega aur yeh tarajim kisi ehl e hadeeth ke deobandi ke
nahin balke fiqah e Hanafi ke eik bohot bare jamaat barelviyat ke bohot bari tehreek
Minhaj ul Quran ki janib se peish hone wale tarajim yaani Irfan ul Quran se peish kar raha hoon
INSHA'ALLAH aap ko baat samajh aa jayegi isse
#1
Aap farma dijiye:Ghaib to mehez
ALLAH hi ke liye hai
Quran surat al Younas,ayat#19
#2
Jis din ALLAH tamam rasoolon
ko jama farmaega,phir farmaega ke tumhen
kya jawab diya gaya tha wo arz karengen
humen kuch ilm nahin,beshak tu HI ghaib ki
sub baaton ka khoob jaanne wala hai
Quran surat al Mayeda ayat#108
#3
Aap farma dein ke mein koi pehla Rasool nahin aaya
aur mein az khud nahin jaanta ke mere saath kya
salook kiya jaayega aur na woh jo tumhare saath
kiya jaayega mein sirf us wahi ki pairwi karta hoon
jo meri taraf bheji jaati hai aur mein to sirf
wazeha dar sunaane wala hoon
Quran surat al Ahqaaf ayat#9
#4
Farma dijiye ke jo loug asmaanon aur zameen mein hain
ghaib ka ilm nahin rakhte siwaaye ALLAH ke aur
na hi woh yeh khabar rakhte hain ke woh kab uthaaye jaayengein
Quran surat al Namal,ayat#65
(ALLAH PAK farmate hain farmaiye jo asmanon aur zameen me hain
ghaib ka ilm nahin rakhte siwaye ALLAH ke
ab iska kya matlab banta hai ?? )
#5
Aur agar mene hidaayat paa li hai to is wajah se ke
mera RAB meri taraf wahi bheijta hai
Quran surat as Sabah,ayat#50
RasoolALLAH saww ne apne hidayat paane ki
wajah ko aalim ul ghaib qarar nahin diya balke
wahi qaraar diya iska kya matlab huwa ??
#6
aur asmaanon aur zameen ka ghaib ALLAH hi ke liye hai
aur us hi ki taraf har eik kaam loutaya jaata hai
so uski ibaadat karte rahein aur us hi per tawakkal
kiye rakhein aur tumhara RAB tum sub lougon ke aemaal se
ghaafil nahin hai
QURAN surat al Hood,ayat#123
#7
Aur mein tum se nahin kehta ke mere paas ALLAH ke khazaane hain
aur na mein az khud ghaib jaanta hoon aur na mein yeh kehta hoon ke
mein insaan nahin farishta hoon
Quran surat al Hood,ayat#31
Yeh sub ayaat sameit mazeed bhi bohot se ayaat hain jinse
yeh saabit hota hai ke ilm e ghaib sirf ALLAH ke paas hai
jab ALLAH ne chaaha unhone apne anbiya a.s per wahi ki
ilm ki baat aur agar is sabab hum unhen aalim ul ghaib kahen
to Hadhrat Jibrael a.s sameit ehl e ins aalim ul ghaib ban gaye
ALLAH hum sub ko seedhe raaste per chalne ki taufeeq de
aur humen DEEN ki sahi samajh naseeb kare Aameen
kioun problem nahi ho gee,
ma apni posts ko baghair kisi proper saboot k shirkiya qarar denay aur edit karnay par ehtajaj ka haq rakhta hoon,
yhi baat to sab kehte hain issi zid pe to itne masle ho rhe hain!
jo thread ka aap ne muje tag kiya usse parh k agar wo ikhtlafi aur problematic lagega aur main usse edit karne lagungi to wahan k thread starter bhi yhi bolain gaye ...
to phir kia ye better hay k aap sab k threads without permission edit kar diya karain?
aap ne khud he reply se sabit kar diya k aap neural nahi hain,kiounk aap ke un threads main iss tarha ke 1 post b nazar nahi aati k jis tarha ke dhara dhar aap ne yahan,ma ne boht sari threads main @Silent Soul aur kai members ko ye kehtay suna ha k wo un thread ke report kar chukay hain magar wahan to aap iss tarha ke koi lambi chori behas karti hui nazar nahi aatien k jis tarha ke meray sath kar rahi hain,
as a staff member u should be neutral...
agar main aapko aise saare thread dikhaun jahan hamesha muje itni lambi chori discussion k baad hi thread edit karne parre hain to aap kia bolo gaye?
agar main aap se ye poochun k aap ne Kitne threads ko neutrally visit n judge kiya hay to aapka jawab kia hoga?
main chahun to yaqeenan in lambi chori discussion k baghair hi saare conflicts waale threads edit karun,,,magar in lambi chori discussion ka maqsad sirf itna hay k kis ki dil aazari na ho aur sab aik dusre ko samajhtey huye khud bhi cooperate karain!
aapko kia lagta hay in lambi discussions ka maqsad kia hay?
apni ghalti man'ne main akhir harj hi kya hai????
dunia main har cheez ka apna muqaam aur martaba hai, jo darja ALLAH rabbul kareem ka hai woh Nabi S.A.W ka nai hai. haan lekin ye hum pe farz hai k hum dono se un k martabe k mutabiq pyar karen aur un ko follow karen.
thread main ashaar etc post karne ki bajaye aap agar ba qaida darood shareef vaghaira parh len tou i guess is ka sawab ziyada hai. u never now k kisi b sher main kisi b lafz k exact ma'ani kya hain, ese sensitive baaton ko thora soch samajh k likha kijiye plz!!!!
n one more thing, k agar koi b aapki ghalti ko point out karta hai tou bajaye aasman sir pe uthanay aur ghussa karne un ki baat o tahammal se suna kijiye, agar aap sahi hain tou sahi reference k saath explanation den, aur agar ghalat hen tou apni ghalti tasleem kar liya kijiye!!!!
ek tarah se tou hum sab khud ko Nabi S.A.W ka saccha ummati boltay hain, un k liye itni muhabbat dikhatay hain tou doosri taraf jin baaton ka unhon ne hukm diya hai aur jin se manah kiya hai (bheaviour k muamle main) hum us k bilkul opposite act karte hain......
agar logon ko Islam ki taleem deni hi hai, tou pehle apna aap esa karen k log aapko dekh k waqai bolen k Islam is the religion of peace, na un ko ye dihayen k bhaiyya deho, Islam hamen har choti moti baat pe doosre ka greeban pakarne ka hukm deta hai.....
@DuFFer bro aap mery mufti hazrat wali thread main comments denay se pehlay iss thread main mery @S_ChiragH bhai se honay wali guftugu ko parh letay,ma aap se boht he ehtaram aur piyar se aik sawal karun ga k hum ye b kehtay hain k Allah k ilawa koi ghaib ka ilam nahi janta magar aap ne uss thread main kaha k ma majority ke hamdardi hasil karna chahta tha aur ma falan falan kuch karna chahta tha,
aap ne ye sab kuch kaisay jan liya,kia aap meray dil main gussay hue thay?
(plz ghussa na kejiyay ga piyar se jawab dejiyay ga)[DOUBLEPOST=1353044955][/DOUBLEPOST]@S_ChiragH bhai mujhe hairat ha k aap ne ye kioun samajh liya k ma ne apni mufti hazrat wali thread main aap ke taraf ishara kiya,
ussi thread main ma ne siraf hoorain sis ko reply kartay hue aap ka naam liya aur yehi kaha k chiragh bro se mery bari peacefuly bat ho rahi thee,
agar ma ne wo sab aapkay baray main kehna hota to aap se direct he keh leta jaisay k yahan b aap se baray piyar se bat ho rahi thee,aap ne he sab kuch apnay baray main samjha,aap tanqeed se pehlay tasdeeq to kar letay,anyway aap ne jo b kaha meray dil main abi b aap k lie piyar aur ehtaram ha aur aainda b rahay ga,InshaAllah,
Allah aapko khush rakhay,aameen,
aap ne ye sab kuch kaisay jan liya,kia aap meray dil main gussay hue thay?
(plz ghussa na kejiyay ga piyar se jawab dejiyay ga)[DOUBLEPOST=1353044955][/DOUBLEPOST]@S_ChiragH bhai mujhe hairat ha k aap ne ye kioun samajh liya k ma ne apni mufti hazrat wali thread main aap ke taraf ishara kiya,
ussi thread main ma ne siraf hoorain sis ko reply kartay hue aap ka naam liya aur yehi kaha k chiragh bro se mery bari peacefuly bat ho rahi thee,
agar ma ne wo sab aapkay baray main kehna hota to aap se direct he keh leta jaisay k yahan b aap se baray piyar se bat ho rahi thee,aap ne he sab kuch apnay baray main samjha,aap tanqeed se pehlay tasdeeq to kar letay,anyway aap ne jo b kaha meray dil main abi b aap k lie piyar aur ehtaram ha aur aainda b rahay ga,InshaAllah,
Allah aapko khush rakhay,aameen,
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