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Exactly for your words in red.

Subbhi samajhtain hain kay jo kuch aap nain kaha bilkul sahi kaha per sub kay samajhnainay kia hota hai sahee sub thori ho jatain Sahi to bahar haal sahi wohi hota hai jo sahi hota hai. Do ya bohat saray different ya opposite tarha ki batain karnay walay sub sahi naheen ho jaatay sahi bahar haal aik hi hota hai.

Daikhain sirf Islam naheen kahta kay Allah sirf Aik hai. Jews bhii aik Allah pay yaqeen rakhtay hain aur Christian bhi Aik Allah pay yaqeen rakhtay hain.

Per hindus kay apnay bhi saray gods ko naheen mantay koi hindu shiva ko manta hai to koi vishnu ko. aur aap logon nain to buton ko bhi god bana lia hai even janwaron ko bhi. Dunia ki kisi qaom nain janwaron ko god naheen banaya so hinduon kay ilawa sari dunia is baat pay hansay ki kay janwar god hain. Aap manay ya na manain. Saanp aur choohay tuk hinduism main god hain. Sari dunia kay agay aap naak ragar lain naheen manay gi bohat say hindu bhi naheen mantay hon gay.

Aap khoj ki baat kartay hain to aap khoj kioon naheen lagatay kay janwar kaisay god ho saktay hain. Unko agar aap qaid kar dain to aap ki qaid say wo naheen nikal saktay to wo jub apnay liaay kiuch naheen kar saktay to aap ko kia dain gay.

Jaisay aik sanpaira saanp ko pitari main bund kar deta hai aur jub chahta hai nikal kar been baja kar nachwata hai to yay kaisay god hai kay aik jahil insaan ko jis ko koi kaam na kaaj ata hai to aik masoom janwar ko pakar kar qaid kar kay pitari main rakhtay hai aur jub chahta hai us ko logon kay samnay tamasha bana kar nachwata aur us say kamata hai aur apnay baal bachon ka pait palat hai.

Yay kaisa god hai kay bunday kay isharon pay nachta hai to jo khud ko bunday ki qaid say azad naheen karwa sakta to aap ko kia day ga.

Sari dunia bundar ko bhi kabhi god naheen manaay gi khuwaah hindu kuch bhi kar lain logon say manwanay kay liaay. So kia wo ghalat naheen huway? Hindu bundar kay pujari issay ghalat manay kay na manaay sari dunia to ghalat hi kahay gi kay aqal tasleem hi kisi ki naheen karay gi kay aik janwara god ho sakta hai. Aap apni khoj is baray main kabhi lagatain hain kay naheen?

Bohat say chor dako bhi naheen mantay to is ka matlub yay thori hota hai kay wo mujrim naheen hotay.

Aap indian ho bhalay kahtay raho kay aap ka mulk bohat achcha hai per USA kabhi naheen manaay ga. Wo jitni ghurbat hai is wajah say jis tarha ki janwaron jaisi bohat say insaan guzar rahay hain is bina pay ub aap apnay mulk ki tareef kay kitnay hi pul bandh lo ya wo pul bhi la kar khara kar lo jo aap kay bundar bhugwan nain seeta devi ko recover karnay kay liaay banaya tha USA kabhi naheen manay ga kay aap ka mulk achcha hai.

Aap manon na mano such to hamaisha hi such hota hai. Hindu lakh kah lay kay aik bundar pul bana sakta hai koi aqal rakhnay wala kabhi naheen manaay ga.



Mujhay bhi aik chota sa lufz khoj simple naheen lugta. Mera beleive naheen kay geeta main ghalti hai aap khud geeta ki baton main ghalti pain gay isi liaay to aap nain kitabon ko mannay say inkar kar dia hai jub kay kitabon say hi lufz shiva per aap poora yaqeen rakhtay hain. Main khud kah rahi hoon. Kisi kay kahnay kia zaroorat. Yay aap ko kis nain kah dia kay geeta ghalat naheen yay sirf aap ka believe hai strong believe kay geeta ghalat naheen. Yay bhi aap ka believe hai kay Allah kitabain naheen likh sakta. Jo intehai ghalat hai. Muslims kay lihaz say, Jews kay lihaz say aur Christians aur aik aur qaum kay lihaaz say so 4 Religions hain jo strong believe kartay hain Allah per aur Allah ki kitab per. Kin kin ki aap naafi karain gay. Kis kis ko aap ghalat kahain gay pooray christian ko, pooray jews ko ya pooray musalmanon ko?

Aisa bhi kah saktay hai bilkul Allah ki banai her her zarra bhi jeeti jati Allah ki likhi kitabain hain agar hum research yani khoj laganay biaithain to sari zindagi khatm ho jaay aur aik janwar pay bhi mukummal tor par khoj naheen laga saktay. I agree with you.

Kitabain murda hoteen to itnay parhnain walay na hotay na hi koi parha likha hota. Kitabain non living thing zaroor hain per hamain insaan bananay ka zaria hi yay hain.

Geeta may or may not contain or explain crishna but Quran can explain Allah. Kon kahta hai kay koi bhi book kisi creator ko contain karta hai haan laikin explain karta hai.




Bilkul Allah ka hai her word written or hidden per achchi tamaam batain Allah say munsalik hain aur buri batain Allah say munsalik naheen wo shaitanon say munsalik hain. It might not be in use for your life but Quran sure is all the uses in my each and every step of life for sure. It stops me from becoming a janwar from insaan.

Bhavishiya purana kia hai bhai aap hi nay parha ho ga main nain to naam bhi naheen suna. Faltoo ki kitabain main naheen parhti. Aap hi ko mubarak aur aap hi parho. Meray liay to sirf Aik Quran aur ahadees important aur aham hai.

Aap nain to khud kaha aap kisi scripture pay yaqeen naheen rakhtay to yay kis bala ka naam lay rahay hain aur jub aap yaqeen naheen rakhtay to parha kioon. Agar baghair yaqeen rakhay parh liaa to kah kaysay rahay hain jis ka insaan ko yaqeen na ho wo uska zikr bhi naheen karta. What aa ajeeb person you are kahtay hain scripture pay yaqeen naheen rakhtay aur uska hawala detay hain.

Aap phir baghair yaqeen rakhay Quran bhi aik baar parh kar daikhain aap ki jo under ki bund ankh hai jissay aap khuli samajh rahain hain wo waqai main khul jaain gi jis tarha meri khuleen jub main nain quran urdu main parha jo language mujhay samjh ati thi aur meray khoji dimaagh kay bohat say sawalon ka jawab miila jub say mera dimagh Allah ka shukr hai kafi kuch samajhnay laga.

Kia aur kaisa shock lagay ga? Kia us main mera future likha hai?

Aap khud bata dain shock laganay wali baat. Hum bhi sunain kay aap ko shock laganay wali baat hamain bhi shock lagati hai kay naheen?

Waisay mujhay bohat shock lagay hain jub india visit kia tha aur jub bohat si maloomat hinudon ki mazhabi kitabon ki suna to?

Jaisay chooha god
Saanp god
bundar god
shiva god kuch hinduon kay liaay
vishnu god khuch hinduon kay liaay.
Aik aur hai uska naam main bhool gai.

Aap saray hindu to aik god pay bhi muttfiq naheen. Musalmanon ko daikhiaay Alhamdilillah Aik Allah pay sub ka imaan hain.

Mujhay bara shock laga tha jub kali maa ki kuch harkatain parheen theen.
Mujhay us waqt bhi bara shock laga tha jub bundar bhagwan nain apnay hi betay ko mar dia tha.
Mujhay Hathi bhugwan ka sun kar bhi bara shock laga tha.
Mujhay yay daikh kar bhi bara shock laga tha jub hinduon ki sub say choti jaat ko bar'i jaat kay barabar baithnay ki bhi ijazat naheen.
Mujhay us waqt bhi bara shock laga tha jub pata chala hindu male aur female sex organ ki bhi pooja kartay hain. (Is say bara aur kia shock ho sakta hai?)

So do u pooja a female sex organ infront of your mother, sister and daughter?

Can your sister, mother or daughter do pooja a male sex organ infront of you?

Kia shirm say pani pani naheen ho jatay aap loag?

Ub lagain kia shock laga saktay hain aap mujhay. I'm waiting.


first bhavishya purana ke bare me maine nahi """thegreatghauri"""has pasted in the replies...read it first...so long passage just to prove about muhammad...thats why i had to comment...second the answer was not for u...
2nd jo shock lagne ke itne sare reasons apne diye wo to science ke aage badhne ke sath prove hote ja rahe hai...jaise bandar,hathi machli etc..bhagwan...
go and study archeology...they are proving these type of creatures existed on earth.....and their existence was in same sequence what hindu predicted...
insaan dharti pe seedhe aasman se nahi tapke...they reached in this stage after long evolution...
jahan sex organ worship ki baat hai...to wo bahut deep aur scintific hai...in western world it is called tantra....in china it is one of the part in taoist ways...in japanese zen it is mumoyoun tantra..in buddhism it is vajrayan,..and so on...
please visit tantra sites and study....tantrik are beyond comprehension..
aur jo bhi baten aapne mother aur sister ke bare me likhi wo sab galiyon ke barabar hai...bina kisi cheez ki teh me gaye...na to aapki mental condition hai ki aap doosre dhrmo ke teh me ja ke khoj kare....par mai yahan ladne ke liye nahi hu...aisa soch ke aapko sharm se pani pani hona chahiye...yadi aapko kuch doubts the to mujhe poochna chahiye ek ek kar ke...har cheez ko main detail me batata...anyway..
please dont reply onwards...
 

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first bhavishya purana ke bare me maine nahi """thegreatghauri"""has pasted in the replies...read it first...so long passage just to prove about muhammad...thats why i had to comment...second the answer was not for u...

2nd jo shock lagne ke itne sare reasons apne diye wo to science ke aage badhne ke sath prove hote ja rahe hai...jaise bandar,hathi machli etc..bhagwan...

go and study archeology...they are proving these type of creatures existed on earth.....and their existence was in same sequence what hindu predicted...

insaan dharti pe seedhe aasman se nahi tapke...they reached in this stage after long evolution...

jahan sex organ worship ki baat hai...to wo bahut deep aur scintific hai...in western world it is called tantra....in china it is one of the part in taoist ways...in japanese zen it is mumoyoun tantra..in buddhism it is vajrayan,..and so on...


please visit tantra sites and study....tantrik are beyond comprehension..

aur jo bhi baten aapne mother aur sister ke bare me likhi wo sab galiyon ke barabar hai...bina kisi cheez ki teh me gaye...na to aapki mental condition hai ki aap doosre dhrmo ke teh me ja ke khoj kare....par mai yahan ladne ke liye nahi hu...aisa soch ke aapko sharm se pani pani hona chahiye...yadi aapko kuch doubts the to mujhe poochna chahiye ek ek kar ke...har cheez ko main detail me batata...anyway..
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Janwaron ko bhagwan to kisi science nain naheen prove kia. No its not called tantara by western world its called by hindus.

You don't believe in Allah book but you believe in archealogy. Why are you asking me to read that if you don't believe in books. You say day are murda so why would I read that.

Those are all prdictions no one knows how human beings came. i don't beleive in preditons.


How could a sex pooja a scientific thing. My khoj doesn't believe it other than bay hayai.

Why would I visit tantara site to study bayhayai. You don't believe in murda thing like books so why you asking me to read murda thing.

I believe in Allahs book only so I can ask anyone to read Allah's book. but when a person claims he doesn't believe in books then how can he ask others to read murda thing? I don't understand your logic and denying your own thing.


Do you have prove for long evalution other than predictions that how humans reached to this world.

Hazrat Adam Alaihimus salam was sent to earth from jannat along with his wife and then they gave birth to human beings then they gave birth and then they gave birth thats what how human being came to existance. Not from janwars.

Only janwars can be delivered by janwar. Never ever a janwar delivered a human being. Neither a human being delivered a janwar.

If you say that human being came to existance from janwars evaluation then why there are still janwars in this world why they didn't chant in evalution? Why only some?

All these questions came to my khoji mind.

Only janwars can believe in janwars law of evalutaion not my khoji mind.


So from which janwar you came to existance bundar, hathi, saanp, chooha?

Kis jurm ki saza main baqi janwar janwar rah gaay?

Aur kuch insaan bun gaay?

Aap samjhain na kia hai aap ka tantara other than bayhayai. Jo kaam aap kay hinduism main hota hai aur aap jis ko mantay hain us kay baray main jub mera khoji zahan sawal kar raha hai to aap ussay gali kah rahain yani apni tantara ko gali kah rahay hain. It proves wrong thing in hinduism.


Why I can't understand. Cause you can't giv reasone behind all that nonsense.

Kon si mental condition honi chahyay aap ka dharam samajhnay kay liaay? main bhi sunoon. Pagal pun?

Main aik normal insaan hoon aur normal isaan ki tarha baat kar rahi hoon.

Per main kon sa lar' rahi hoon aap say apnay khoji zahan say sawal kar rahi hoon. Jis tarha tahammul aur imandari say main nain jawab dia apnay deen kay baray main aap kioon naheen samjhatay meray khoji zahan ko meri tarha explain kar kar kay.

Aap nain kitni zabardasti kay baat ko ghumaaya jubkay main to seedha seedha aap say sawal kar rahi hoon.

Samjhain main bhi aap hi ki tarha khoji dimagh aur bohat say sawalat rkhti hoon zahan main ub main poochti hoon aap explain karain mujhay aisay jaisay main nain kia baghair murda kitabon kay hawalay aur ja kar parhnay kay jis tarha aap nain kaha.

Kosish karain mujhay apnay mazhab kay baray main qail karnay ki aur batanay ki bilkul meri tarha aur doosri bahan aur waqar bhai ki tarha.

Now my turn I will ask question and you will explain.

Aray batain na per aap to dar kay maray mujhay jawab denay say hi mana kar rahain hain.

Samjhain mujhay aik aik baat. I'm listening. Now start.
 

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Aray atul bhai mera muqsad hargiz aap ko takleef ponhchana naheen tha.

Sawal thay jo khoji zahan honay ki wajah say aa rahay thay so discuss karnay ko likh dia.

Main maazrat chahti hoon agar meri kisi baat ki wajah say aap ko takleef ponhchi.

Agar aap explain kar dain to maharbani hogi.
 

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Atul bhai precious ya meri ya Waqar bhai ki koi bhi baat buri lagi ho to heartly apologise or ik or baat Quraan mai ye bat boht pehle kahi ja chuki thi k is dunia mai kis kis qisam ki makhlooqat hyn ye insaan ko nahi maloom or un mai se boht si ko to insan ne dekha bhi nahi ye sirf aayat ka mafhoom hy to is se ye bat maani ja sakti hy k possible hy k wo log waqai hon is dunia mai lekin is se ye bhi proven hy k wo makhlooq hyn aap bataen k phr unke god honey ka tasawur zehen mai kesy ubher sakta hy????
 

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precious-no comments...u live with what u think and believe....ur hatred towards other religions get reflected in ur sentences...u r in no position to understand....our talks are futile....i m not interested to talk further please....
 

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atul bhai humare koi baat buri lagee hoo too hum mafee chatai hai humara maqsaad app ka ya app k mazaab ka mazak bana ya iss ko bura bolna nahi ta .... simple se baat hai aghar app aghar app kasey k maa baap k barey main bhi burai nahi per iss k kilaaf boloo gai too iss ko bura lagai ga aur kuch na kuch bolai ga woh phir too app humare doo jahaa k mailk .. yanee ALLAH ka barey main bool rahai tay khair yeh apney soch soch ki batain hai ALLAH nay hum ko muslim family main paida keyaa iss leyai hum nay wohee shekaa joo hum ko shekayaa gaya aur app ko aik hindu family main paida keyaa iss leyai app nay wohee shekaa joo app ko shekayaa gaya aur i think iss main hum main say kasey ki koi galti nahi khair dil main koi baat hoo too app bool saktai hai ... aik baar phir mafee chataa hoo aghar kabhi koi galat baat kar gaya hoo too apnay kayaal rakahai aur jaha bhi rahai jiss k bhi saat rahai humesha khuish rahai
 

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precious-no comments...u live with what u think and believe....ur hatred towards other religions get reflected in ur sentences...u r in no position to understand....our talks are futile....i m not interested to talk further please....
Its okay.

Yes we all do live with what we think and believe. But I said things what I learned and knew about Hinduism and I needed answers for my simple question. No didn't say anything about what I think and believe. I learned different religions like Christianity, Judaism and hinduism. I was in Master of Arts subject. I also learned from internet and ppl about all did say anything from my believe.

My hatred you said is amazing. In which sentence you find hatred please mention I will try not to use those in front of any hindu so avoid any narazgi. You wrote other RELIGIONS and what are those religions against which I used my hatred please mention those sentences too. I will appriciate that.

Do you think so that I'm in position to understand? You may say but Alhamdilillah my Iman is Pakkar and I know that I can explain very well that no one can deny and get answer to beat be.

You might say that i'm not in position be diverted by any person from my religion to other religion. That is why I think other religions person would avoid to talk to me. I know that.

I knew that you won't continue futher. I had talks with hindus before. What I find that when they can't answer very genuine questions about hinduism they stop conversation.

I also found that in the name of religious questions and understandging hindus try to give infromation to their sites and religion to check and read.

I aslo found those things in you too.

I said you want from us or our standgings the answers of your questions not from any book because you don't even believe your own religious books. So I didn't use a single thing and try to explain from my own understanding but what you did that ask me to see different sites read about your religous things from you mentioned text which you didn't like yourself.

You even said wrong things about religion, quran and Allah but we did sabr on those and gave you answer very patiently. You might know that for us all muslim if you will ask who is your first preference in whole world including your god then all muslim will Answer Allah and Quran even parents come after Allah and Quran. But we did say that we can see your hatred. Can you see how patienance we muslims have? Do you know why because our Allah told us that's why we give first preference to out Allah and quran.

I didn't give you gali I only asked it is in your religion to do pooja of sex organs so I asked how you perfom that pooja in front of your mother, sister and daughter. You do that and I asked that. How come it become gali for you if its your relgious thing.

Yes if you ask this to a muslim that do you do pooja of sex organ. It sure will become a gali for muslims not for hindus.

If we give you permission to ask things why don't you give permission to ask you question. We sure will not say anything bad about your religion and Shiva.

I want to ask from which text (you don't believe) Shiva derived from?
Why do you burn widows with the arthi of his husband?

1 thing I saw when I visited india that when a old hindu was dieing his son keep asking give me ur kurti baap and his bapoo was dying then he took off his kurti and before his dieing they started to break his hands and legs. I was so surprised and amazed and when came back to home at that time I was 8 years old and asked why they did all that she said they broked his legs and hands because they believe that if they won't break he will become bhoot and come back so by breaking he wont be able to get up and walk. I was like oh meray Allah that is so cruel while a person is in alam e jankani you took his kurti and broke his hands and legs.

I have lots of questions what I saw. I would like to ask you. Please give me opportunity to ask those questions because I'm still in shock what I saw.

Please don't take these as gali because you guys do it.

Before I asked many hindus they all didn't answer me. I thought you would answer me. Afssos you are like all of them bhaging dum daba kay. Mazaq.

Why you guys don't avoid to answer about your relgion proudly like we muslims do?

If you want to stop its your choice we can't force you. but at least give me answer to my questions. I have lots of questions for my KHOJI BRAIN too like you do.
 

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ok come on some chat site where i can register and one to one talk so that i discuss openly...then u can say whatever bad words u have in mind about hindus...i dont want to disturb the peace of so many people here...bcoz some replies may be very dangerous....ur questions will be replied but before listening to me sit idle feel ur heart that there is no closeness...resistance to the facts other then muslim...u dont agree with science,u dont agree with books and experience of other religion u cant get because for that heart and mind openness reqd to receive them...what kind of this reserch is when u avoid reading what i refer ...u r not daring to see all angles....i read about kuran whereever i had been referred without being afraid...
i will study kuran ....u study the books what i refer and upload if u wish...then after a week reading fully ...we can talk...
bcoz i never told u what my god says for various maytters ..i m always trying to give my standpoint ..they may go against geeta..kuran whatever...i m not concerned what god says ..if i feel the same what god says it is ok...otherwise i will say god sit in the corner im not the guy who is going to listen u ..do whatever u like...what geeta says...then why u r again and again telling kuran me aisa hai...pubh aisa kehte hai.....wo jab main mar jaoonga tab unse khud hi jake pooch loonga...apke sare answer apke nahi kuran aur apke allah ke reply hai...vaise reply to main bhi de sakta hu...but wo reality me reply nahi hai....
aap m.a. hai...master of arts...art ko padh liya...jaise science padhte hai...
i met in mumbai some muslim aalims...talking about some comparative religion...but they were so silly ... sorry to say...jaise parrot ko koi cheez padha do phir wahi ratta rehta hai...they were parrots...phir parrot ko kuran/geeta hi kun na padha do...
khoj to bahut dangerous cheez hai...ho sakta hai aisi cheeze nikal aye jo aapke pairo ki jammen kheech le...par yadi khoj ke pehle hi dharna bana li man me...to aap wahi prove karenge jo aap samajhte hai...khoj karna science hai..believe karna nahi...khoh ke janna science hai...belief karke manna nahi...
hinduo me kai god kyun hai main already mahira jee se baten karte hue de chuka hu...aap sare discussion padh le..phir itna sara likhna i feel boring....par ye sab answer kisi kitab me na milenge kyunki hinduo ne iski kabhi fiqra nahi ki....ye sab meri apne samajh se hai....
whatever u have seen in childhood about breaking legs hands of live person,....this should not have happened...it is crime...it is very unfortunate that u came across this crime and formed opinion agaist hindus...
why widows were burning with husband,class discrimination...and all those questions u list out in detail...i will reply one by one but on chat...bcoz each sentence has to be understood correctly..which is not possible here...
 

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i was not indicating the evolution as scintists say like the evolution from monkey etc they may or may not be wrong...i too think that they may be wrong or they should be called progression and not evolution...evolution implies changes not only physical level but soul level,spiritual level also....but the basic nature of existence is evolution...everything is dynamic..nothing is static....
but evoltion principle will be only understood when u understand reincarnation principle...(i know muslim dont believe on this)...
but this principle is being proved by past life therapists,gnostic,yogic,zen,tao,jain,buddhist,anthroposophists,theosophists and many many real life incidents which happened in various countries...
energy can not be destroyed ..it is taking different forms with different qualities...
astrology is nothing but evolutionery chart of person/place thing etc... in this life...
 

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i dont know kuran is word of god...may be true...may not be true..
i dont know kuran in depth so no comments whether it is wrong or right...and other then experience there is no proof...
 

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WE pray to AllAh
That is because du’aa’ is a great act of worship which is beloved to Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islamic Monotheism) and ask Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Islamic Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’”
[Ghaafir 40:60]
 

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let me give small example

a child when he need some thing he ask her mother .
when a student need education he ask for TEcher .
when u need treatment u g to te doctor .
when u r asking with people who r like u . then we muslim ask and we muslim pray to Allah coz Allah is a creator of all creation .
 

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how can u proof that ur holy books r word of god......this sentences u people r repeating again and again and not me......nowhere i told holy books r word of god....on the contrary i told god does not write dead books...all living things,sun moon trees,human animals are his book...
jab aadmi ne bhasha nahi sikhi thee,jab wo padna nahi janta tha tab kya god ki jaroorat nahi thee....kya wo apne bando ko raha nahi dikhata tha...
 

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let me give small example

a child when he need some thing he ask her mother .
when a student need education he ask for TEcher .
when u need treatment u g to te doctor .
when u r asking with people who r like u . then we muslim ask and we muslim pray to Allah coz Allah is a creator of all creation .
when u fall in love u go to peopple to ask how to love..what is the method....
when u feel happy...u ask people whether i should be happy or not..whether it is right or not..
god is ur deepest desire and love....
 
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